“分解癖”から生まれる「謎の図」この日は川田十夢さんに代わり、J-WAVEでは『GRAND MARQUEE』ナビゲーターとして出演中のタカノシンヤさんと、AR三兄弟・次男の髙木伸二さんが番組をナビゲート。よシまるシンさん、タカノさん、髙木さん、三人とも多彩な活動をしているということで“肩書きをどうしているか”という話題でまずは盛り上がります。次に、さまざまな人物や事柄を相関図のように細分化している、よシまるシンさんの図のシリーズ・通称「謎の図」について深掘り。よシまるシンさんご自身のプロフィールには、スチャダラパー「35周年の図」（2025年）、細野晴臣「謎の図」（2024年）、「マツケンサンバの図」（2023年）、清水ミチコ「シミ図」（2020年）などといった作品が並びます。%3Cblockquote%20class%3D%22instagram-media%22%20data-instgrm-permalink%3D%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fp%2FDQoDlg4Ekge%2F%3Futm_source%3Dig_embed%26amp%3Butm_campaign%3Dloading%22%20data-instgrm-version%3D%2214%22%20style%3D%22%20background%3A%23FFF%3B%20border%3A0%3B%20border-radius%3A3px%3B%20box-shadow%3A0%200%201px%200%20rgba(0%2C0%2C0%2C0.5)%2C0%201px%2010px%200%20rgba(0%2C0%2C0%2C0.15)%3B%20margin%3A%201px%3B%20max-width%3A540px%3B%20min-width%3A326px%3B%20padding%3A0%3B%20width%3A99.375%25%3B%20width%3A-webkit-calc(100%25%20-%202px)%3B%20width%3Acalc(100%25%20-%202px)%3B%22%3E%3Cdiv%20style%3D%22padding%3A16px%3B%22%3E%20%3Ca%20href%3D%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fp%2FDQoDlg4Ekge%2F%3Futm_source%3Dig_embed%26amp%3Butm_campaign%3Dloading%22%20style%3D%22%20background%3A%23FFFFFF%3B%20line-height%3A0%3B%20padding%3A0%200%3B%20text-align%3Acenter%3B%20text-decoration%3Anone%3B%20width%3A100%25%3B%22%20target%3D%22_blank%22%3E%20%3Cdiv%20style%3D%22%20display%3A%20flex%3B%20flex-direction%3A%20row%3B%20align-items%3A%20center%3B%22%3E%20%3Cdiv%20style%3D%22background-color%3A%20%23F4F4F4%3B%20border-radius%3A%2050%25%3B%20flex-grow%3A%200%3B%20height%3A%2040px%3B%20margin-right%3A%2014px%3B%20width%3A%2040px%3B%22%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%20%3Cdiv%20style%3D%22display%3A%20flex%3B%20flex-direction%3A%20column%3B%20flex-grow%3A%201%3B%20justify-content%3A%20center%3B%22%3E%20%3Cdiv%20style%3D%22%20background-color%3A%20%23F4F4F4%3B%20border-radius%3A%204px%3B%20flex-grow%3A%200%3B%20height%3A%2014px%3B%20margin-bottom%3A%206px%3B%20width%3A%20100px%3B%22%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%20%3Cdiv%20style%3D%22%20background-color%3A%20%23F4F4F4%3B%20border-radius%3A%204px%3B%20flex-grow%3A%200%3B%20height%3A%2014px%3B%20width%3A%2060px%3B%22%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%3Cdiv%20style%3D%22padding%3A%2019%25%200%3B%22%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%20%3Cdiv%20style%3D%22display%3Ablock%3B%20height%3A50px%3B%20margin%3A0%20auto%2012px%3B%20width%3A50px%3B%22%3E%3Csvg%20width%3D%2250px%22%20height%3D%2250px%22%20viewBox%3D%220%200%2060%2060%22%20version%3D%221.1%22%20xmlns%3D%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2Fsvg%22%20xmlns%3Axlink%3D%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F1999%2Fxlink%22%3E%3Cg%20stroke%3D%22none%22%20stroke-width%3D%221%22%20fill%3D%22none%22%20fill-rule%3D%22evenodd%22%3E%3Cg%20transform%3D%22translate(-511.000000%2C%20-20.000000)%22%20fill%3D%22%23000000%22%3E%3Cg%3E%3Cpath%20d%3D%22M556.869%2C30.41%20C554.814%2C30.41%20553.148%2C32.076%20553.148%2C34.131%20C553.148%2C36.186%20554.814%2C37.852%20556.869%2C37.852%20C558.924%2C37.852%20560.59%2C36.186%20560.59%2C34.131%20C560.59%2C32.076%20558.924%2C30.41%20556.869%2C30.41%20M541%2C60.657%20C535.114%2C60.657%20530.342%2C55.887%20530.342%2C50%20C530.342%2C44.114%20535.114%2C39.342%20541%2C39.342%20C546.887%2C39.342%20551.658%2C44.114%20551.658%2C50%20C551.658%2C55.887%20546.887%2C60.657%20541%2C60.657%20M541%2C33.886%20C532.1%2C33.886%20524.886%2C41.1%20524.886%2C50%20C524.886%2C58.899%20532.1%2C66.113%20541%2C66.113%20C549.9%2C66.113%20557.115%2C58.899%20557.115%2C50%20C557.115%2C41.1%20549.9%2C33.886%20541%2C33.886%20M565.378%2C62.101%20C565.244%2C65.022%20564.756%2C66.606%20564.346%2C67.663%20C563.803%2C69.06%20563.154%2C70.057%20562.106%2C71.106%20C561.058%2C72.155%20560.06%2C72.803%20558.662%2C73.347%20C557.607%2C73.757%20556.021%2C74.244%20553.102%2C74.378%20C549.944%2C74.521%20548.997%2C74.552%20541%2C74.552%20C533.003%2C74.552%20532.056%2C74.521%20528.898%2C74.378%20C525.979%2C74.244%20524.393%2C73.757%20523.338%2C73.347%20C521.94%2C72.803%20520.942%2C72.155%20519.894%2C71.106%20C518.846%2C70.057%20518.197%2C69.06%20517.654%2C67.663%20C517.244%2C66.606%20516.755%2C65.022%20516.623%2C62.101%20C516.479%2C58.943%20516.448%2C57.996%20516.448%2C50%20C516.448%2C42.003%20516.479%2C41.056%20516.623%2C37.899%20C516.755%2C34.978%20517.244%2C33.391%20517.654%2C32.338%20C518.197%2C30.938%20518.846%2C29.942%20519.894%2C28.894%20C520.942%2C27.846%20521.94%2C27.196%20523.338%2C26.654%20C524.393%2C26.244%20525.979%2C25.756%20528.898%2C25.623%20C532.057%2C25.479%20533.004%2C25.448%20541%2C25.448%20C548.997%2C25.448%20549.943%2C25.479%20553.102%2C25.623%20C556.021%2C25.756%20557.607%2C26.244%20558.662%2C26.654%20C560.06%2C27.196%20561.058%2C27.846%20562.106%2C28.894%20C563.154%2C29.942%20563.803%2C30.938%20564.346%2C32.338%20C564.756%2C33.391%20565.244%2C34.978%20565.378%2C37.899%20C565.522%2C41.056%20565.552%2C42.003%20565.552%2C50%20C565.552%2C57.996%20565.522%2C58.943%20565.378%2C62.101%20M570.82%2C37.631%20C570.674%2C34.438%20570.167%2C32.258%20569.425%2C30.349%20C568.659%2C28.377%20567.633%2C26.702%20565.965%2C25.035%20C564.297%2C23.368%20562.623%2C22.342%20560.652%2C21.575%20C558.74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なくなく なくなくない？」。「これを一回ちゃんと数えてみたんです」と、図の中で分解しています。「『よくない？』というのは肯定ですよね。『よくなくない？』だと否定になります。（歌詞の中で）これが二重否定、三重否定となっていくんですけど、最終的に五重否定だったんです。つまり否定。結局『よくない』って言ってたんです」とよシまるシンさん。さらに、2024年にスチャダラパーと小沢さんがJ-WAVEの番組に出演していた際に聴いた話を挙げ「小沢さんが確かギターを持ってきていたと思うんですけど、『今夜はブギー・バック』はここがキモなんだというので、それもこの図に入れてるんですけど、『僕をそっと包むようなハーモニー』で（キーが）マイナーになるんですよ。ここのちょっと暗くなるところが実はキモで、みたいな話をしていた。明るい歌、パーティーソングと思いきや、実はそういう暗いところがあったり、実は五重否定だったりとか。よくよく聴くと、パーティーしてるかのようなんですけど、実はただ妄想してるだけ…みたいな、暗い部屋でパーティーを妄想しているような歌にもとれる。そういうのを解釈しながら、図にさせていただいた」と、「謎の図」として完成するまでの思考を明かしました。タカノさんが図について「完成形って最初から頭の中にあります？」と聞くと、「おぼろげに、例えばスチャダラパーだったらターンテーブルみたいになったらいいなとかあるんですけど」という一方「やりながら探っていくのもあります」とのこと。例えば、細野晴臣さんについての「謎の図」であれば、よシまるシンさんも好きな曲だというはっぴいえんど時代の楽曲『風をあつめて』を踏まえ、「じゃあ実際に風をあつめたらどうなるんだろう？みたいな興味関心」から、「どんどん風をあつめていく作業」へ。「いろんな曲の中にも風があったりするし、天気、気象、星の巡りだったり、ミクロにもマクロにも考えていくと、だんだん空を描けるかのように、どんどん上・上へとエネルギーが上がっていく感じになっていって…。作っていくうちにだんだん見えてくる楽しさみたいなのがありますね」と図が出来上がっていくよう。実際の図を見てみると、中心に複数の「風」が記され、そこからさまざまな要素に細分化されている様子が窺えます。%3Cblockquote%20class%3D%22instagram-media%22%20data-instgrm-permalink%3D%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fp%2FC3OUY53yC1s%2F%3Futm_source%3Dig_embed%26amp%3Butm_campaign%3Dloading%22%20data-instgrm-version%3D%2214%22%20style%3D%22%20background%3A%23FFF%3B%20border%3A0%3B%20border-radius%3A3px%3B%20box-shadow%3A0%200%201px%200%20rgba(0%2C0%2C0%2C0.5)%2C0%201px%2010px%200%20rgba(0%2C0%2C0%2C0.15)%3B%20margin%3A%201px%3B%20max-width%3A540px%3B%20min-width%3A326px%3B%20padding%3A0%3B%20width%3A99.375%25%3B%20width%3A-webkit-calc(100%25%20-%202px)%3B%20width%3Acalc(100%25%20-%202px)%3B%22%3E%3Cdiv%20style%3D%22padding%3A16px%3B%22%3E%20%3Ca%20href%3D%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fp%2FC3OUY53yC1s%2F%3Futm_source%3Dig_embed%26amp%3Butm_campaign%3Dloading%22%20style%3D%22%20background%3A%23FFFFFF%3B%20line-height%3A0%3B%20padding%3A0%200%3B%20text-align%3Acenter%3B%20text-decoration%3Anone%3B%20width%3A100%25%3B%22%20target%3D%22_blank%22%3E%20%3Cdiv%20style%3D%22%20display%3A%20flex%3B%20flex-direction%3A%20row%3B%20align-items%3A%20center%3B%22%3E%20%3Cdiv%20style%3D%22background-color%3A%20%23F4F4F4%3B%20border-radius%3A%2050%25%3B%20flex-grow%3A%200%3B%20height%3A%2040px%3B%20margin-right%3A%2014px%3B%20width%3A%2040px%3B%22%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%20%3Cdiv%20style%3D%22display%3A%20flex%3B%20flex-direction%3A%20column%3B%20flex-grow%3A%201%3B%20justify-content%3A%20center%3B%22%3E%20%3Cdiv%20style%3D%22%20background-color%3A%20%23F4F4F4%3B%20border-radius%3A%204px%3B%20flex-grow%3A%200%3B%20height%3A%2014px%3B%20margin-bottom%3A%206px%3B%20width%3A%20100px%3B%22%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%20%3Cdiv%20style%3D%22%20background-color%3A%20%23F4F4F4%3B%20border-radius%3A%204px%3B%20flex-grow%3A%200%3B%20height%3A%2014px%3B%20width%3A%2060px%3B%22%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%3Cdiv%20style%3D%22padding%3A%2019%25%200%3B%22%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%20%3Cdiv%20style%3D%22display%3Ablock%3B%20height%3A50px%3B%20margin%3A0%20auto%2012px%3B%20width%3A50px%3B%22%3E%3Csvg%20width%3D%2250px%22%20height%3D%2250px%22%20viewBox%3D%220%200%2060%2060%22%20version%3D%221.1%22%20xmlns%3D%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2Fsvg%22%20xmlns%3Axlink%3D%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F1999%2Fxlink%22%3E%3Cg%20stroke%3D%22none%22%20stroke-width%3D%221%22%20fill%3D%22none%22%20fill-rule%3D%22evenodd%22%3E%3Cg%20transform%3D%22translate(-511.000000%2C%20-20.000000)%22%20fill%3D%22%23000000%22%3E%3Cg%3E%3Cpath%20d%3D%22M556.869%2C30.41%20C554.814%2C30.41%20553.148%2C32.076%20553.148%2C34.131%20C553.148%2C36.186%20554.814%2C37.852%20556.869%2C37.852%20C558.924%2C37.852%20560.59%2C36.186%20560.59%2C34.131%20C560.59%2C32.076%20558.924%2C30.41%20556.869%2C30.41%20M541%2C60.657%20C535.114%2C60.657%20530.342%2C55.887%20530.342%2C50%20C530.342%2C44.114%20535.114%2C39.342%20541%2C39.342%20C546.887%2C39.342%20551.658%2C44.114%20551.658%2C50%20C551.658%2C55.887%20546.887%2C60.657%20541%2C60.657%20M541%2C33.886%20C532.1%2C33.886%20524.886%2C41.1%20524.886%2C50%20C524.886%2C58.899%20532.1%2C66.113%20541%2C66.113%20C549.9%2C66.113%20557.115%2C58.899%20557.115%2C50%20C557.115%2C41.1%20549.9%2C33.886%20541%2C33.886%20M565.378%2C62.101%20C565.244%2C65.022%20564.756%2C66.606%20564.346%2C67.663%20C563.803%2C69.06%20563.154%2C70.057%20562.106%2C71.106%20C561.058%2C72.155%20560.06%2C72.803%20558.662%2C73.347%20C557.607%2C73.757%20556.021%2C74.244%20553.102%2C74.378%20C549.944%2C74.521%20548.997%2C74.552%20541%2C74.552%20C533.003%2C74.552%20532.056%2C74.521%20528.898%2C74.378%20C525.979%2C74.244%20524.393%2C73.757%20523.338%2C73.347%20C521.94%2C72.803%20520.942%2C72.155%20519.894%2C71.106%20C518.846%2C70.057%20518.197%2C69.06%20517.654%2C67.663%20C517.244%2C66.606%20516.755%2C65.022%20516.623%2C62.101%20C516.479%2C58.943%20516.448%2C57.996%20516.448%2C50%20C516.448%2C42.003%20516.479%2C41.056%20516.623%2C37.899%20C516.755%2C34.978%20517.244%2C33.391%20517.654%2C32.338%20C518.197%2C30.938%20518.846%2C29.942%20519.894%2C28.894%20C520.942%2C27.846%20521.94%2C27.196%20523.338%2C26.654%20C524.393%2C26.244%20525.979%2C25.756%20528.898%2C25.623%20C5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Fonts ROAD TO INNOVATION」では、ゲストに「自分自身の考えを自ら切り取る言葉」を訊ね、その言葉を、ゲストお気に入りのフォントとともに紹介しています。よシまるシンさんの一言は「子供老人」。「発想自体子供の頃からあんまり変わっていなくて、このまま老人になっていきそうで。子供と老人って、大人を挟んで直接つながらないんですけど、それがガチャンと僕の中で図で結びついて大人がすっ飛ばされてる状態」とその言葉の意図を解説。フォントは「新丸ゴ」をセレクト。「“新丸ゴシック”って“よシまるシン”とちょっと似てるのと、この新丸ゴを非常にたくさん使わせていただいていて。なので一つと言われたら新丸ゴ」とのことでした。PODCAS | タカノシンヤ・髙木伸二（AR三兄弟 ）×よシまるシン本放送をディレクターズカットでお聴きいただけます。%3Ciframe%20data-testid%3D%22embed-iframe%22%20style%3D%22border-radius%3A12px%22%20src%3D%22https%3A%2F%2Fopen.spotify.com%2Fembed%2Fepisode%2F5plfMJgosJ4W6BOo3a6VCx%3Futm_source%3Dgenerator%22%20width%3D%22100%25%22%20height%3D%22352%22%20frameBorder%3D%220%22%20allowfullscreen%3D%22%22%20allow%3D%22autoplay%3B%20clipboard-write%3B%20encrypted-media%3B%20fullscreen%3B%20picture-in-picture%22%20loading%3D%22lazy%22%3E%3C%2Fiframe%3E